Winter 2005 /Spring 2006


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Links to letters mentioned in the Buteman Dated 2 June 2006

Argyll & Bute Roads and Amenity Services

Inverclyde Council Corporate Services Letter 1

Inverclyde Council Corporate Services Letter 2

Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee

Caledonian MacBrayne - No Reply to date.

If you have any comments, we can be contacted at info@buteferryusersgroup.co.uk

Annual General Meeting
8th April 2006
Pavilion, Rothesay
10.30am

Minutes

Attendant: John Duncan (Chairman), Mary Madsen (Vice Chair), George Docherty (Secretary), Robert Dunn (Treasurer), Reeni Kennedy, Sue Downie, Gerry Chambers, George C Train, William Lavender, Julie Reid, David T Herriot, John G Cameron, Stephen Cameron, Donald Middleton, Mike Blair (Buteman)

John Duncan welcomed attendees, outlined housekeeping of building, summarized main issues addressed during the year and pressures faced by the group. Remarked on decision by committee to continue the group. Outlined future issues such as link span; passenger access; and frequency of service. Set out agenda, explaining there was some formal business for the AGM to attend to and hoped for open dialogue around particular issues.
First item was regarding membership fee for renewal of member and new members. It was agreed that going forward only donations would be asked for as group have enough reserve to meet current needs.

Robert Dunn summarized in brief Treasurers’ report detailing incomes and out goings from BFUG account and reporting a positive year end balance. Invited questions from assembly and replied to one enquiry that the group bank with Royal Bank of Scotland.

George Docherty began Secretary report by explaining some of the changes within the committee during the year and proposed changes needing attention today. Resignations of John Duncan (Chairman), due to work commitments and Julie Reid (Minute secretary) due to ill health, both received a vote of thanks for their hard work and commitment.
Meeting with Calmac attend by BFUG committee members and elected representatives was summarized detailing issues raised and subsequent outcomes. Comments and questions were invited from the floor.

One attendee outlined availability of wheel chair at both Rothesay and Wemyss Bay piers with prior notice and commended Calmac staff for their service and in particular support when lift was out of service. Other comments included praise for staff on board new vessel Bute, for their discretionary support to allow disable passengers to remain in vehicle. Chair recognized both of these positive stories and confirmed that disabled passengers are within rights to ask to remain in vehicle when gaining access to upper decks required a concerted effort.
Proposal to ask Calmac to advertise this service more widely to ensure that passengers in need of assistance know what is available to them.

Issues were raised from the floor on steepness of the ramps and stress in trying to access ferry in the short turn around time. Also exiting from ferry at Wemyss Bay side and making it in time for train. Issue of ferry > train transfer time was discussed at length including some recent changes to ferry times. In general it was felt that people with mobility issues did not have enough time to make the transfer and at times when ferry was late docking even the most able bodied needed to sprint. Also that when visitors have much luggage availability of trolleys would be a useful addition, proposal to take this up with Calmac/First Rail agreed.

Comment made that an hourly crossing always in harmony with train timetable would be good for visitors to the island who use public transport. However, the group consensus was that a reduction in frequency of service would have serious impact on the majority of users such as commuters.

One aim of the group is to have an improved journey time – it was raised that Calmac measure of crossing time is ropes off to ropes on and that this conflicts with actual crossing time for passengers which can be as much as ten minutes more.

Efficiency of Rothesay office staff was noted as being able to issue ferry ticket in timeuous fashing whilst continuing to deal with telephone query.

Recognition for George Lyon, MSP and three local councilors was voiced for their support and help with ongoing issues.

Other issues raised included not enough seating indoors when tour buses are on board. Particularly when weather conditions make outdoor seating dysfunctional; and complexity of ticketing rules with regarding to ferry/rail tickets beyond Glasgow; further that changes to bus timetables meant important link services to Inverclyde Hospital were out of sync with ferry time. It was noted that Councillor MacIntyre has written to bus company MacGills re this. Group decided to await outcome of this action before getting involved.

There was generally positive comments regarding Calmac staff and improved customer service with disabled passengers and increased flexibility on parking at Wemyss Bay.

This open discussion was summarized with all issues and positive feedback taken on board for future dialogue with Calmac.

Item regarding quorum was discussed with pressures to committee such as commuting time, work life balance. Suggestion was put to reduce the number required for quorum from seven to five. This was proposed, seconded and carried unanimously with no abstentions.

Elections of office bearers was penultimate agenda item.

New Chair – Reeni Kennedy – proposed, seconded and carried.
Mary Madsen continues as Vice Chair with vote of thanks from assembly.
Robert Dunn continues as Treasurer.
George Docherty continues as Secretary.
Also elected as general committee members were – Gerry Chambers; John Duncan; Stephen Cameron; Donnie Middleton; Sue Downie and Julie Reid.

There was a discussion around having visitor representation on the committee was needed. Consensus was that for attendance at meetings this was impractical however, feedback was welcome from visitors in any format.

Any other business – update of BFUG website

Meeting was drawn to a close with thanks to all who had attended and the many who had offered apologies.

 

 

AGM 8th April 2006 at Pavillion—10.30am.

Inside this issue:
BFUG Ramp it up
Season Tickets
Have your say
Misery
Join us!
View Point

Letter from the Chair

Welcome to the group’s winter newsletter of 2005. We continue to lobby on behalf of all travelers to and from Bute. Here is a short round up. A stall at the Highland Games generated a lot of interest. We gained some insight from visitors who commented on expensive fares being a factor preventing return visits. MV Bute has kept us busy with articles in local press and an item on BBC’s ‘Reporting Scotland’. Cal-Mac requested a meeting with BFUG , 19th Sep. Your service issues were all raised., which Cal-Mac committed to look at and for some responded quickly. Passenger priority if disembarking from car deck; solution for streaker gangway access at all tides and meeting with Scotrail to resolve timetabling issues. We are pleased that Cal-Mac have begun to listen. We will keep talking.

It’s been a long winter!

Many users of Cal-Mac ferry service for Rothesay/Wemyss Bay route have asked —what does the winter season hold in store for us? We have seen service disruptions, been re-routed to Gourock, and dealt with ramp failures. Is it acceptable? We think not!


BFUG Ramp it up

On going issues with access to vessels operating on Wemyss Bay/Rothesay route were also raised at a recent meeting with Cal-Mac. Senior officials admitted that the newly purchased ramps had performed disappointingly however we were assured measures would be taken to improve matters. There were a number of factors causing problems, these ranged from technical issues to problems in dealing with the frequent changed in tide! In particular the difficulties faced by

elderly, infirm and disabled passengers was drawn to Cal-Mac’s intention. Focusing on the intermittent availability of the lifts and the gradient of the ramps. Elected representatives and BFUG committee members were assured that teething problems with the lift would soon be overcome and ramp gradients complied fully with advisory bodies such as DPTAC. A proposal that Cal-Mac should provide support by way of mini bus via car deck was

promised investigation and later rejected on the grounds that other counter measures had been put in place. BFUG committee member and technical expert on ramps, Donnie Middleton has since measured the gradient which exceeds all known regulations for disabled access. This particular issue is currently being investigated further by Mary Madsen in contact with DPTAC.


 


 

Commuter Misery at Wemyss Bay

In response to concerted pressure and argument from BFUG and our elected represetatives, Cal-Mac Managing Director, Laurie Sinclair agreed to consider the possibility of operating a licensing scheme

for regular car users to allow them overnight car parking privileges on the understanding cars would be removed early the following morning and not left in the marshalling area over the weekends. In effect, this would represent a return to the situation which existed before August 2004. Cal-Mac were again made aware of

just how difficult the car parking situation was at Wemyss Bay and how the repeated failure of the morning ferries to arrive on time before the departure of the connecting trains was adding to the general misery of their passengers. Cal-Mac have promised to work with First Rail on this matter.
BFUG propose options for regular car users
Senior Cal-Mac representatives were again asked to consider the idea of introducing a car season ticket for nominated vehicle for the Colintraive and Wemyss Bay routes, to relieve car parking pressures
and offer a cost effective alternative to regular car users. However Cal-Mac refused to consider it. Pressed on the reasoning behind their refusal to consider such a move, Laurie Sinclair would only say that they didn’t operate
such a scheme anywhere else on the network and would not expand further. The winter timetable is now published and BFUG note that a 50 journey car and driver reduced fare option is available on the Colintraive route. Perhaps something similar could be offered on the Wemyss Bay sailing after all.

 

Survey of Bute ferry users
Cal-Mac maintain that the current level of service being offered is satisfactory with few issues. And that the new boat has enhanced our experience of traveling. . What is your experience? Would you like to take part in a consumer survey? We are looking for volunteers to complete a survey
recording journey time and noting down any comments about your experience. We want to hear about the good, the bad and the ugly sides of traveling across the Clyde. Contact Reeni
Kennedy on 01700 505992. You will be sent a sheet to record up to nineteen journeys. Once completed simply hand back to any BFUG committee member. Watch this space!

 

Committee Member’s View
In August, I was heartened to hear that we had been invited to attend a meeting with representatives of Cal-Mac. I was naively optimistic that Cal Mac was finally prepared to recognise our group. I was less than enthusiastic however when I saw the tone of the invitation. Our presence was requested to discuss our “miss representation of the new vessel, MV Bute”. I felt like a naughty school boy
being summoned to the head masters office to be lectured on the error of my ways. The group met to discuss our pending meeting and in light of the tone of the summons we felt our best form of defence was to attack. We gathered our facts and I have to say, with the aid of George Lyons and some of our local councillors, we took no prisoners. Instead of
being taken to task over our comments we justified them and established a list of 5 or 6 points that Cal Mac had agreed to address and get back to us with a response in December. More than this, we left Cal Mac with no doubt that we were not simply going to be dismissed nor would we go away. We make this same assurance to our members and ask for your continued support. George Docherty

 


BFUG NEWS

SEPTEMBER 2004

 

Hello there,

On behalf of all the committee I would like to welcome you all to the Group and to our first Newsletter. We have really hit the ground running and although you might not yet be aware of our activities we have been very busy.    To date we have:

Ø       Held 3 Public Meetings

Ø       Publicly adopted our Constitution

Ø       Formed a Committee

Ø       Written to local councillors, our MP and MSP and various Scottish Ministers expressing our concerns

Ø       Held two awareness raising stalls on Montague Street, and at the Highland Games

Ø       Had a meeting with the CalMac hierarchy.

Ø       Generated a significant amount of publicity in the Herald, the Greenock Telegraph, and of course, our very own Buteman!

Ø       Attracted a Membership that is now approaching 400!!

Ø       Commissioned a small-scale study into passenger views

We will tell you more about some of these later in the Newsletter.   I hope you find it informative and that you will continue to see the value in being part of a consumer group dedicated to challenging CalMac’s dismal record of customer services.     Thank you for joining us, and please let us know your own concerns and problems with the CalMac service.

John Duncan (Chair)


MEETING WITH CALMAC

Four of us (John, Mary, Steven and Gerry) met with CalMac on Tuesday 24th August. We were accompanied by our MSP George Lyon – a signed up member of the Group.    Our agenda was first and foremost to achieve recognition by CalMac as a legitimate consumer voice.   They could not agree to this at that time (though we remain unsure as to why not) but did agree to get back to us on that point – we are still waiting!!

We also gave them a number of proposals regarding the parking issue – to no avail.   CalMac remain steadfast that regardless of the inconvenience to residents and visitors alike there is nothing they can do.      On the thorny issue of shore ticketing, CalMac curiously insist this is as a result of ‘secret’ legislation to do with safety, though they would not clarify this any further.    George Lyon MSP agreed to take this up with the Executive.   We are all rather unnerved by the idea of secret legislation within our democracy.    Nevertheless, despite our protests, Mr. McLennan (Head of customer services and communications for CalMac) insisted that this was the case………watch this space folks, there will be more on this at a later date as we are determined to find out what he is referring to.

Finally, on shore ticketing itself – coming your way soon – CalMac actually agreed that this was not the most user-friendly system, but were adamant that this too was out of their hands, and gave the impression that due to the above mentioned ‘secret’ legislation they were obliged to introduce it.      Let us know how you find the system which will be fully implemented by the time you read this.       It is our intention to conduct a further survey after implementation to gather information on the way this is affecting travellers.


An Update From our Treasurer.

We have just over £550 in the bank, which is quite staggering considering we only formed the group less than 2 months ago.   This has primarily come from individual donations plus several generous donations.   This helps cover our ongoing costs such as hall hire, publicity material, adverts and postage.    Our mass membership base is the key to this positive financial picture, so once again, we would like to say a big thank you to everyone has helped generate this substantial fighting fund.

Stephen Cameron,

Treasurer.


AND FINALLY…….

As this is our first attempt to contact our membership we apologise in advance for anybody we have missed.     Many of the forms were filled out hastily, in the rain, etc, etc.    PLEASE let us know if we have any of your details wrong, and especially if you have an email address that we have not been able to read

You can contact us by email on mary.madsen@buteferryusersgroup.co.uk, Mail address is BFUG, c/o Madsen, 1 Russell Street, Rothesay, PA20 0ET. 

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